Transcript:

Episode 14: Dangers of Mold

Warren:

You know, Dr. Pompa, I woke up this morning, and the first thing I said to myself—you know what? I’m feeling moldy. I’m feeling moldy [00:01:00]. Then, I get on the phone with you, and you were feeling moldy, and so I think we should talk about one of our favorite and most—one of our scariest topics, actually, and I think we may have touched upon this before, but it’s the mold epidemic and biotoxic illness in many of the things that, as we are on our journey as health hunters to find some solutions and answers, this is the one we really, really know deeply and intimately and have experienced in many ways.

Many of our listeners need to know this, because this is very causational in a lot of the health challenges that we’re seeing as we all push forward and try to get healthy, and we can’t. Meanwhile, there’s these little fuzzy, hidden guys waging war in our walls at times or in a subfloor or hidden somewhere, and it’s making us sick. You just experienced it, so it’s the perfect yet sad reality that you’re even living in now, and I’ve dealt with it multiple times. We’ve done multiple shows on it.

The topic of today is mold, mold illness, mold sickness, and how mold could be the reason you don’t feel well. At the end of the show, it might be the solution that you need to empower you to take your health as a health hunter to the next level. Dr. Pompa, let’s rock this topic, even though it’s a sad one.

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah, there’s a part of me that hates this topic, because look, I hear from people all over the world with unexplainable symptoms and illness. After five, ten minutes of talking to them, I go, oh, my gosh, mold, most likely mold. I had one yesterday, and I’ll just kind of tell the story, because this is how it went down. I’ll describe her symptoms. Matter of fact, the file is right next to me. I won’t give any names but two years ago was living in a moldy home that they discovered, unfortunately, the hard way, just like most people, right? After being in this home that they thought was spectacular and great, all of a sudden, she starts getting rashes over 80 percent of her food, felt exhausted to the point of nonfunctioning eventually, ended up with depression, anxiety, panic attacks. Never had that before. Insomnia. Literally would wake up at two, three in the morning. Then, it went to joint pain. Skin was burning, itching, and hurts. She described it at one point as thousands of ants crawling all over her unexplainably. Then, it started with blurred vision. I’m literally reading down the list of symptoms. Then, it went to this severe asthma that she never had. Then, it went to chemical sensitivity. Oh, God, we know that all so painfully, don’t we, Warren? Then, she became allergic to everything, food, chemicals, etcetera.

Oh, God, then she has a baby, and that baby, the pregnancy during that child, released some lead during the pregnancy, which is very common, ladies, because we hold a lot of the lead that we’re exposed to through our life, most of which we got from our mom, hold it in our bones, and then, during pregnancy, it’s normal to lose bone. Then, out comes the lead. Then, boom, she couldn’t function without medication. Then, it went to Zoloft, clonazepam. I’m just reading down the list. Some inhalers that she started using, Zyrtec, Claritin, steroid creams. Okay, you get the picture now, right? This became her reality and her life, and I hear these stories, Warren, one after another after another.

It’s estimated that 70 percent of all disease starts in the mouth from silver fillings, root canals, cavitations. I don’t know where the percentage of mold is, man, but it’s pretty high, and unfortunately, I know that, if you’ve had some of those symptoms I just said, if you even struggle—and by the way, she jutted up to over 200 pounds, and she’s only 5’6”. Sudden weight gain, inability to lose weight, that’s another one. She didn’t even mention that one anymore, because she didn’t care about that anymore, honestly. She just wanted her life back, but that becomes the reality, and that’s again a story that’s hidden, because most people don’t see the mold. It’s hidden, and you said that at the top of the show, that it’s between the walls. It’s something we don’t see, oftentimes we don’t even smell, although when you or I walk in certain homes or buildings, we smell it. People living there don’t smell it.

This is a hidden deceptor. This is a pustulant that produces a biotoxin, and folks, we’re not talking about an allergy to mold. That’s from the spore of a mold, and yeah, you can have an allergy. We’re talking about something called biotoxic illness. Mold produces a biotoxin. There’s maybe five, six molds that are extremely toxic, that produce a toxin that is probably the most toxic thing on the planet, and when it grows in a house, we call it amplified mold. When it’s outside, not so much of a problem. There’s competition, and it doesn’t produce the level of biotoxicity, but when it gets in your walls and starts feeding from wood, cellulose from wood, paper, drywall, which is covered in paper, all you have to do is add water, and now you have a problem, and you become sick unexplainably.

Warren:

Just add water, and your life changes, and it’s a sad one. The reason I said I felt moldy, Dr. Pompa, I didn’t sleep last night, and I’m like, man, but as soon as I walked into this conference—many of the folks on this call, they walk in, and they smell that musty smell right when they walk into either a Motel 6 and sometimes some of the fanciest resorts in the nation. You think you’re having a good time, but these large hotels like I was just at this weekend—I don’t know if yours was moldy, Dr. Pompa, but mine sure was, and it hit me like a ton of bricks, in a semi-arid area of California that we were attending. We were both actually in the same area for two different events. You were at Low Carb, teaching doctors and the public, around five hundred of them, and I was hanging out with a bunch of doctors that go teach doctors, not doctors but teach individuals, four hundred of them, so it was a great experience. However, I came back pretty beat up from the travel and the mold hit, and so that’s just part of our lives.

At one point, Dr. Pompa, when I got sick, I moved back into my parents’ basement, and they live at the bottom of a hill, so there’s—any time you live at the bottom of a hill in an area that rains, the water—I know hydrogeology. I’m a geologist, right? It’s hydrostatic pressure. That water moves down the hill, intersects your basement, the dampness, and just delivers constant water to your walls. It’s just constantly damp, and you can run the humidifiers, but you’re fighting nature at this point. It’s like trying to stop water from getting around. Then, there’s plenty of sealants and things like that they have today. They’re getting a lot better. However, this house wasn’t perfect by any means, built over 15 years ago, so at that point, the musty smell in that basement where I stayed—because I left Montana very sick, the basement just took me to the next level of pain, fibromyalgia, all the things that both of us suffered from.

It’s near and dear to our hearts, so these moldy basements—even if you don’t have any visible mood but just a dampness that’s being delivered to the home, creating an environment of over 55 percent—correct me if I’m wrong. Any time you’re over 55 percent, you’re growing mold in that space, and mold does not do well with most people. There’s a genetic—it makes everyone sick. It’s an insult to everyone, but there’s the genetically susceptible as well, and we can discuss that as we move on this moldy topic of this moldy day of this moldy morning. By the end of this, we are going to empower people, even from our examples, to live what we used to call mold-free living. We love mold-free living, Dr. Pompa.

Dr. Pompa:

We talked a little bit about the symptoms for people to say, could this be me? Could this be why I still don’t feel well, despite doing all these amazing things? Most of it is unknowingly. You get exposed. A lot of it’s the way they’re building buildings these days. I find it necessary oftentimes to talk about these pitfalls of where you could have mold, where it could be coming from. You mentioned how the water flows. When we come back, let’s dive into that a little deeper so people have an idea of even where to look, how to test themselves and their buildings, when we come back.

Warren:

It’s going to be powerful, guys. Be right back.

All right, Dr. Pompa, you have our next segment.

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah, I opened up a—

Warren:

An introduction into these symptoms we have. Some of the symptoms that I experienced you experienced firsthand, and I’m not only obviously going to share ours, but what are all these common symptoms with mold illness that people can identify with so that, aha, the lightbulb will go off and be like, man, that’s why I can’t get my life back. That’s why I can’t lose weight, as far as the symptomatology of a mold illness.

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah, no, I think I discussed that on the first part here, because I just went through an actual client that I had yesterday and how these crazy symptoms start. Those are typically your common mold symptoms. Now, they cross over with other neurotoxic symptoms, mercury, etcetera, but some of those classic symptoms like the sudden weight gain and the inability to lose weight are very classic with mold, because the biotoxin interferes with hormones. It really does. It’s very powerful. It binds to these hormone receptors where your hormones have to connect to and actually work, and when it binds to those, the hormones don’t get their message in. There’s one called leptin. Leptin’s the hormone that tells you to stop eating, number one, but more importantly tells you also to burn fat for energy, so when it binds with that receptor, you don’t hear that hormone, and you become leptin-resistant, and the weight gain or inability to lose weight follows. Then, light sensitivities are, I think, another one that I didn’t mention on the first part of the show.

Let’s get into some of the hidden places where mold is, where you could be experiencing it. I’ll say this first. If you’ve had a wet basement, if you’ve had water damage, and it wasn’t dried immediately within 24, 36 hours, you’ve got mold there. I just experienced it. Let me just quickly tell my story. I had a blower go in my HVAC—happened to you, too, Warren, and what happened was, it was condensation buildup, and it started leaking. The pan filled up and overflowed. Water started leaking. I probably didn’t get to it for about a day and a half, two days, and then I discovered it. I heard my HVAC just running and running, and that’s what made me go down. I found wet carpet, pulled the carpet back, and thought I saw a little black but thought maybe it was the nails. You know the strip that holds the carpet in place? Anyway, I put some fans on it immediately only to return the next day and just see fuzzy mold all over every bit of wood. Oh, my God. Dried it up, etcetera.

I ended up going and traveling, and I was gone. My daughter started complaining of knee pain, which she hadn’t had in a long time. I felt some fatigue, etcetera, and just not right. My wife felt this pain that she hadn’t had in her hips, so immediately, I was like, hmm, let me dig deeper. We cut into the wall behind where I couldn’t see. Oh, lo and behold, up the drywall, on the two-by-fours, fuzzy mold about a quarter-inch thick. No wonder.

The point is, most people would’ve ignored that. The carpet’s dry, pulled it up, did the best we could, done, forgot about it, only to have this mold behind the walls years and years later, and once you have other neurotoxic issues, mercury, lead, and past mold exposures, now with the smallest amount of this biotoxin that the mold produces, you react. When asked the question, maybe you bought the home five years ago. Do you have any water damage? No, I didn’t, because see, it was such a small thing that I experienced that it’s not disclosed, nor does it have to be, and you just don’t know. That mold would’ve been there until the next person, and now they’re getting this exposure unknowingly. That’s how crazy this is. When we will stop putting paper on drywall? The perfect food, cellulose, is the food of mold. It’s like giving crocodiles meat. All you need to do is throw meat in a river with crocodiles, and they will find it. The mold spores are there. It’s not avoidable. It’s just when you add a little water, the plants grow. Seriously, that’s exactly the way it works.

Then, again, there is waits in a dormant state, producing its biotoxin. This is how it works, and we’ve got to change the way we’re building buildings. In Europe, they’d build buildings the old-fashioned way. They weren’t using drywall. Of course, these buildings didn’t have the efficiency as these buildings that we have today, sealed. By the way, Warren, this is one of the problems is we don’t have air moving in and out, which, again, creates stagnant, humid air. By the way, if your basement, if your home is consistently above 50 degrees humidity—

Warren:

Fifty percent, you mean.

Dr. Pompa:

Fifty percent humidity, that’s enough humidity in the air to feed that mold that’s potentially in the walls, feeding from the paper on the drywall. I’m just overwhelmed—I’m overwhelmed even speaking it, because that’s how crazy this sensitivity is, and once sensitive to this, you become sensitive to all, and you don’t even know it. You go into a restaurant, a hotel like Warren did, you don’t feel well, and you just think it’s random. Who knows what it is? It’s because you probably got activated by mold in an HVAC system. That’s the heating and air conditioning system in the hotel or the building, and you didn’t even know it.

Warren:

It’s really, really—here’s the thing. This is why we have to do everything else that we’re talking about, because it’s really an unavoidable stressor. You don’t want to live in a home. That’s why we’re trying to bring awareness to this on Health Hunters. You can do everything you want right, and that’ll help knock down the inflammation and do the best that we can, but if you’re sensitive to mold, and Dr. Pompa, you can speak to that in more detail, you’re just not going to get well. You’re going to possibly get on medications, like Dr. Pompa said with one of his health participants. It’s a scary thing, and it’s—you have to have the awareness. There’s a lot of legal around this. It’s a very interesting topic, but it’s more of a known topic now, and this is why builders are scared of it. This is why employers are scared of it, because it really can affect their lives. Dr. Pompa, let’s get into some of the ways these individuals can test and see and find out. There’s some free websites potentially, so if they’re listening to this—I have some of these symptoms. I have small joint pain. I can’t see well at night, all the things that are moldy. Now, okay, I think I might have mold. I definitely have a damp basement. How I can know to the level this is affecting me? What are some tests that we can run, simple tests that they can do and ways they can find and see if they’re moldy like the top of the show today?

Dr. Pompa:

Let’s talk about some tests for you first. There’s one, it’s a ten-dollar donation. It’s called V as in Victor, C as in cat, S as in Sam, vcstest.com. Vcstest.com.

Warren:
Vcstest.com. Got it.

Dr. Pompa:

Yep, vcstest.com, and that is a visual contrast test. We’re not measuring your ability to see well. If you need glasses to see 18 inches from the screen, then wear them when you take the test. However, you’re looking at contrast. When you get exposed to a biotoxin, one of the first nerves to get affected is the optic nerve, and you lose the ability to see contrast, so that’s why some people have trouble seeing at night. That’s a major mold exposure. They’ve been under it probably for a while, but this test is very sensitive, and it scores you, so it’ll even tell you if it’s potential biotoxic illness. That’s probably the first level of testing. Then, of course, we’ve trained doctors around the country. There’s some other testing that you could get as far as blood test goes. We can talk more about that and how to test your home when we come back.

Warren:

Awesome, Dr. Pompa. Can’t wait.

The topic today is moldy, and now we’re trying to figure out and answer the question, am I moldy? I have some of these symptoms. I’m not getting well. I’m doing all of the other health hunter lifestyle switches and changes to improve your life and health and your outcomes, yet you may be moldy, so Dr. Pompa, let’s roll through some of these tests, home tests, personal tests. There’s several really good ones that are simple. We started off with vcstest.com. That’s a great one.

Dr. Pompa:

Then, there’s another one called a C4a from a lab called National Jewish Laboratories, and there’s the one that do it. It’s a very accurate assessment. You put it all together with your symptoms, with a VCS, with looking at some of the other blood work, and there’s other tests as well.

Warren:

If it’s not a mold expert, they could find someone to do some blood work as well.

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah, absolutely, and I think it’s important to know, if you’re sensitive to one neurotoxin, you become sensitive to all neurotoxins, so then you become even more sensitized to mold, so oftentimes, it takes a very small amount. You have four people living in one home. One gets sick. The other doesn’t. Now, there’s been some genetic testing that Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker has put out there called HLA-DR testing, and the HLA estimated about 24 percent of the population is sensitive to mold. There’s another two percent that’s very sensitive to mold and other neurotoxins.

I don’t believe genes alone make somebody sick. I think that, more importantly, we’ve learned over the years that it takes other exposures, so people that have other exposures, whether it’s lead, mercury, other neurotoxins, just toxins in general, even emotional traumas, they’re the ones that typically will react first in the home and become the most sick. Genes play a role. Certain genes can get triggered, etcetera, but we look at the genes, but I hate doing it, because I think people feel doomed, and I don’t like that, but when I—

Warren:

We felt that way. I felt that way when I—

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah. Yep, but when I look at a case, I look more towards what lifetime exposures have they had, and that typically tells the story of why this person in the home, not the others, so I always make it very simple. Imagine we all have a bucket that fills up from the time we’re in utero in our mom, and this show’s not for that, but the number of silver fillings in your mouth, ladies, there’s many studies that I just quoted when I talked to doctors this weekend. I think I quoted five different studies showing the number of fillings in your mouth is proportional to how much mercury is in the baby’s brain in utero, and that’s on autopsy studies, the [00:21:55], the Tagum study. Anyway, very, very accurate, so you give your mercury to the child. Lead levels. You give your lead to the child, and I quoted a bunch of studies on that as well, but the bottom line is this, we start life with a certain exposure, filling our bucket, and then, as we go through life, that bucket fills with physical, chemical, and emotional stressors. When that stress bucket finally overfills with perhaps the next mold exposure, like the one I got, then, all of a sudden, the symptoms start.

The bottom line is, you have to empty the bucket. There’s no medication, supplements that are magical in these situations. The key is, if you empty that bucket, that’s how we gained our life back. That’s how thousands of people are gaining their lives back from these nasty exposures. You have to empty the stress bucket, so that means you have to look upstream with a really good history and a doctor that knows how to take a really good history and find these exposures and remove, and then the magic, no doubt, happens.

Very quickly, Warren, home testing, and I want you to talk a little bit about how to make our homes safe, and I think that’ll bleed into the next segment. Let’s talk about testing, because there’s people who go, well, I had my home tested, and the experts come in, and they test the air. It’s like, well, they’re testing for spores, which typically aren’t in the air, especially if the mold’s behind the wall. The biotoxins are, and there’s really no accurate way of assessing biotoxins in the air. There are about four hundred to a thousand angstroms, very, very tiny, but typically they’ll come in, and they’ll test the air for the spore on an agar plate and then, hey, we didn’t have any major growth. It’s because there’s no mold spores in the air, but the toxins are, so very inaccurate.

There’s a test called an ERMI test that’s way more sensitive, because we’re vacuuming up bits of dust in key places, whether it’s between walls, HVAC systems, and corners in the basement, and then we’re analyzing the dust as opposed to just taking an air sample. Then, by the way—that’s ERMI, by the way, E-R-M-I, and survivingmold.com is a place you can get an ERMI test. You can Google it and get an ERMI test. You can do it yourself, or you might find an expert that does an ERMI test. I would ask them, but survivingmold.com is a good place to even read more. Our website—

Warren:

Another thing—

Dr. Pompa:

Drpompa.com.

Warren:

It’s okay.

Dr. Pompa:

We’ve done many, many different shows on mold. We’ve done many shows on how to make your home safe on Cellular Healing TV, drpompa.com, so look for those resources as well, because we probably overwhelmed some of you. Go ahead, Warren. What were you going to say?

Warren:

I was going to say, too, one of the most accurate ways, and I think I’m a mold dog, because I can—you can find mold. I can find mold. It’s just weird. We have high level of sensitivity to certain things, as we learned, and what makes us sick, and I’m like, man, I think there’s mold over there. These dogs, who have a much higher sense of something like this—

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah, mold dogs are great. Yep.

Warren:

A mold dog will come in, and I think that may be the best solution—

Dr. Pompa:

I agree.

Warren:
—for many of the folks that are searching for that, so mold dogs, you can look them up. Think about it. They can smell anything. Once you give them that odor, and they’re trained on the different types of mold, they’re absolutely a great resource. I’d say better than the ERMI test, and we’ll make sure all of this stuff’s in the show notes when our team transcribes and works through this information. That’ll all be up on healthhunters.tv as well. Really cool. Now we’re going to move into the next segment here. Dr. Pompa, we’re going to deal with the making your home safe side of things.

Dr. Pompa:

As we transition to this, okay, hey, I think I have mold, or you discover that you have mold. You’ve tested high on the ERMI. Now what, Warren? Let’s say you find something behind the wall. This happened to both of us, but take them through.

Warren:

Yeah, so one of the biggest things that you have to worry about inside of a—in your home, it’s definitely the humidity. Controlling humidity is the number one—I wish I could grab some of the botanicals, natural botanicals, and even safe, if I can say that, safe chemicals. They’re a chemical, but they’re safe, right? I know a few of them that I can give you, but there’s one in particular that I really like, but I don’t—I can put that in the show notes. Step one, if you think you have a moldy home, and you want to combat this moldy home, what you need to do—it’s funny. There’s a thing on my phone. It’s coming through my earphones somehow. I have no idea how it’s—every time I’m talking, this sound’s coming through. You’ve got to first lower that humidity, because the humidity, like Dr. Pompa was speaking—we’ll just circle back into that. When that mold is trapped in the wall, and it dries out, it goes dormant, but say, even he lives in an arid environment, but it still gets humid, or you add water to it, or it’s near the shower, and the shower produces humidity. It feeds the mold. It goes into growth mode, and when the molds—there’s multiple molds there. When they go into growth mode, they fight each other through these biotoxins. Those are the things that make you sick.

When you control the humidity, you control the amount of biotoxins being produced, so there’s this thing that I think was through Ritchie Shoemaker where he would call it—what’s the term? Not a mold infestation, but when it’s really bad.

Dr. Pompa:

Oh, amplified mold. I had mentioned that first.

Warren:

Yep. Amplified mold. Yeah. It becomes amplified, and when you’re in an amplified situation, even the healthy—you’re triggering genes. You’re doing a lot of things, so in order to avoid that, the first thing to do is bring in different dehumidifiers. If you have a smaller home—I lived in a 2,500-square-foot home, and I’d have to put two dehumidifiers in that home to maintain a humidity of less than 50 percent, so that would be one way. There’s also these industrial dehumidifiers that are much bigger that cost a few thousand dollars that can do the whole home, because humidity is transient. It moves from higher to lower concentrations, so controlling the humidity is awesome and first. When we come back—

All right, so on the last segment, we were talking about making your home safe. The number one thing, guys, is decreasing humidity.

There’s lots of different ways, and here’s the cool thing. It’s expensive when you go with an HVAC guy, but today these HVAC individuals, people who do home heating, ventilation, and air conditioning, are a lot more tuned in to controlling humidity. Ten years ago, they would say, open your window up and let fresh air in and let all the mold in. That doesn’t work today, so they’re realizing that sick building syndrome, things like that, their customers who are getting more sick or getting more sensitive to mold, so this humidity control thing has definitely moved its way into the economic engine of HVAC.

There’s some pretty good guys out there, so you can educate, and you don’t have to shop online for an industrial dehumidifier that can move—and what that means is, they can move a lot more air in a shorter amount of time to decrease that humidity within a larger home. You can also get dehumidification that hooks inline with your current HVAC system. Sometimes those are hard to get installed because of size restrictions, because the home wasn’t originally designed, or the HVAC wasn’t originally designed with that in mind, so that humidity is number one.

Number two, you can add in, if you don’t have already, some inline air filtration filters. MERV 7 to MERV 11 would be my suggestion. If you do too high of a MERV rating, meaning it grabs even more particulates, it can cut down on the flow for your HVAC and affect your air conditioning and heating within the home, but you can install these larger units. They’re a little more expensive. They’re a lot bigger, so you can get a higher MERV rating and still move quite a bit of air, so the filtration, why does that work? You said it wasn’t a particle issue. It wasn’t a mold spore issue, but that mold count is still bad, because especially if you have a humid home, it’s pushing that mold everywhere, right? Then, also, the biotoxins can travel on those particles, so those are one of the things. If you decrease the mold in your home, you know you didn’t have any—you had a damp basement, let’s say, and this is most of America. They don’t have any black mold, per se, from water damage necessarily, but they still know that they had a humid basement. You dehumidify your home, you knock that down, but in the process, you had a low-grade mold exposure just from the humidity in the walls.

The thing that I would do next is I would now want to detox the home, if you will, so you want to do some sort of fogging, and there’s some natural chemicals and things that can knock down the biotoxins and the mold count significantly. What I do is—the first thing I would do is I would clean the HVAC and make sure before you—I wouldn’t do that first, but you would do that next. You decrease humidity, you clean out the particles and dust that are in your HVAC, and you have that sprayed afterwards with something. There’s a natural botanical. I’m going to put this in the show notes. Concrobium is an over-the-counter from the Home Depot that works effectively. I have another chemical that I can let you know about. The other thing, it’s a natural botanical. It’s thyme oil and some things like that that are within it, but it works very effective. In the literature, it works really well, so I’ll make sure that’s in there. You would spray the home, spray the HVAC, and then you would fog the home as well. That would be a more extreme step, but it would be the answer, one of the answers.

Dr. Pompa:

Then, make sure you find someone to do this that knows how to do it, because you have to set up what is really containment.

Warren:

If you actually found mold. Ooh, wow. Yeah.

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah, if you found mold. It creates negative air pressure, so meaning that you basically seal in this area with containment, plastic, sealed, taped. Then, they have a situation where they’re pulling the air out of the area out to the outdoors, so it’s not going into the home. By the way, guess who didn’t do that? Me, because I just happened upon this. I didn’t even have time to do it. I didn’t expect what I found, but anyway, once you do, then you set up this containment, and then you prevent reexposure or more exposure to your home. Good mold people do that correctly, but the problem is they use a lot of toxic stuff, so the one with thyme oil that Warren will put in the notes is great. Concrobium’s great. You can get it at Home Depot. That prevents mold from reoccurring, so it keeps the growth down if there is elevated humidity again, so that’s a good one.

You have to kill it. You have to remove everything that you can with the mold on it. That helps a lot, and take it out safely of the home. That’s really how you get the home safe. Now, I am going to quote Leviticus 14 from the Bible, because what we just described is what they describe basically to do in the Bible, literally. If you find mold, you do this, and kind of what we just explained, maybe a little more simple, but they were using essential oils, I’m sure, on the old to kill it. If it returns, then basically get out and take your stuff with it. Get rid of your stuff that basically is porous. Hard surfaces can be wiped out, clothing can be washed, but things like couches, furniture in a very toxic home, do not bring them, because cross-contamination into your next home is a big problem, especially once you’re sensitized.

Again, we’ve talked about that on some of our Cellular Healing TV shows. These websites that are very privy to mold will talk about cross-contamination, and again, if you’re not overly sensitized, no problem, but once you’ve been exposed to amplified mold, you are. Then, people move into the next home, and they think that home’s moldy. Meanwhile, it’s just what you’ve brought with you. The Bible tells you to how to clean it, and then basically, if it keeps coming back, then get out. Simple as that. You may need to leave a very toxic home, and I’ve had many, many clients of mine that have had to get out of these homes—

Warren:

I left my parents’ basement.

Dr. Pompa:

—couldn’t be fixed.

Warren:
Yeah, when I left my parents’ basement, I brought nothing with me, because I knew that. You just can’t. If there’s a hard surface, you can, but even then, the mold VOC, which can also make you sick, and that musty smell, it’s still in the wood. I just couldn’t stand it. It was funny. I’ll tell this story. The little unit that I’m using to broadcast live through GCN was in a moldy home, and every single time I turn it on, it heats up, and then I can smell the mold all over it. It’s that negative anchor, because I know that that’s one of the things that made me sick, so these mold VOCs will also penetrate and be stinky, and that’s no fun, so get rid of it. Start over.

Dr. Pompa:

With the time we have remaining, and again, how to make your home safe, we have a lot of shows on that on Cell TV. You can access that, but just kind of something that, as far as a protocol, I believe if you’ve had major exposures, you need to find a practitioner that really understands how to detox the cell well and to do this correctly. Let me just give you a glimpse of what works. These biotoxins do get in and around the membranes of your cell, so we have to upregulate the cell function. That’s part of what I teach on Cellular Healing and cellular detox, but what happens is, they make their way to the liver, and they bind up with something called bile. Your liver makes bile to digest fat, so of course, this bile ends up being dumped in your gut to digest fat. The problem is, bile is a fat complex, and the biotoxins resonate to that. They attach into it, so what happens is that every time you eat fat, you dump this bile in there, and it brings this toxin into the gut. The problem is—the bigger issue is that your body’s designed to reabsorb the bile so it doesn’t have to remake it, so you just basically keep auto-intoxicating.

Part of this detox that we do is putting a binder, a catcher’s mitt, if you will, in the gut that doesn’t leave the gut to grab this toxic complex and pull it out of the body. The gentleman that I had mentioned earlier in the show, Ritchie Shoemaker, he realized this by accident, using an old drug that they used to lower cholesterol with called cholestyramine. It’s a resin. It’s an activated resin. It would cause nasty constipation, and it’s resin. You don’t really want to ingest resin too long, but it worked. It was designed to pull out this complex, and people would get much better once they got out of the exposure, by the way.

We have put together a product called Bind over the years, and we use it in conjunction with another binder called Cytodetox that works at the cell, but this Bind has three or four, really four different binders in it that have the ability to bind this toxic complex, and it just stays in the gut and sits in there as a catcher’s mitt. That just kind of gives you a reflection of how this needs to be addressed once you get out of your mold exposure or make your home, one or the other.

I always kind of regret doing a show like this sometimes, because I remember—if I were—I always put myself, and we were both on the other side of this, as someone going, oh, my gosh, and listening to a show three times, just trying to pull out every little nugget, and that’s where the resources come in. My heart bleeds for you. We’ve both been where you are. I’m sure you’ve already been labeled as nuts and crazy, but I hope this show at least points you in the right direction as to [00:39:02].

Warren:

[00:39:03].

Dr. Pompa:

Yep.

Warren:

Thanks for joining us. We’ll look forward to giving you more health hunter secrets next week. Like and share. Join our podcasts. We love you guys. See you next week.