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Episode 1 – The Hunter-Gatherer Society

Warren:

All right, all right. Health Hunters Radio. This is our first show, Dr. Pompa, together after working together for over 15 years in this space of health and wellness. I’d just like to define what is a health hunter? We repositioned and rebranded this Health Hunter show to reach more people with true answers that will make a difference in their life.

If you’re listening to this now, let’s kind of go on a journey together. Let’s define what a health hunter is. Dr. Pompa, I’m a health hunter, and I want to tell that story of how I became a health hunter and how I joined this mission with you over 15 years ago.

Dr. Pompa:

Let’s face it, most people become health hunters because of some type of pain in their life, and then you become a health hunter. Not just physical pain, but any type of health problem puts you on the journey. That’s not everybody. Some people seek health because maybe they watched a parent, a friend, or someone suffer.

Then they start hunting because what they realize, and this is the 180 degree solution concept that I love, is that when it comes to health, the truth always lies 180 degrees opposite of what the media is projecting and brainwashing us into believing. It’s pretty simple, folks. Just take 180 degrees opposite of what you hear from mainstream media. Somehow, especially with health, you hit it right every time.

Warren:

That was me. I was hunting health, and I couldn’t find it. Back then 15 years ago, it wasn’t so readily accessible on the internet. The problem is today is there is so much information, you’re not sure what to believe.

Fifteen years ago when I got sick, I was seeking as a credentialed geologist. I had a math degree that was focused on toxicology and chemistry. I had this science-based mind publishing a few articles and journals with major organizations trying to make a difference in science. I detoxed the world. That’s what I did. I cleaned up hazardous waste for a living, abandoned mines, those sorts of things, toxic heavy metals.

I was very sick, so I went the mainstream way, not the 180 degree way, and I found myself not landing on the truth, getting so sick I had to sell everything, move, couldn’t find answers. I talked to your wife, got on the phone with you, and the rest has been history because you were already a health hunter for ten years prior to that. Your 25 years of experience brought me back from despair, lack of hope, overweight, couldn’t sleep, loss of energy, all those things to now where we’re at today as we’re helping lead or guide people on hunting trips.

Today the topic, if you’re listening, and I want to unlock some of these truths with you, is let’s go back as the hunter/gatherer society. Darwin, we can throw that out there, did we evolve? I believe we adapted. That’s a whole different topic. We were designed in a certain way by God, I believe and Dr. Pompa believes, to interact with nature in such a way that it provided health and not leading to some of the chronic conditions and diseases that we face today.

Let’s go back to the hunter/gatherer. There’s a hunter/gatherer workout. There’s the hunter/gatherer diet. You throw things out there like Paleo. Let’s dive in with this first show with Health Hunters and see what we can learn from the tribes and the original health hunters as they hunted and gathered across the plains of Africa and all these different nations.

Dr. Pompa:

You know what? One of the things, you know this, I teach doctors in my multi-therapeutic approach. Part of the multi-therapeutic approach, meaning that you get these unexplainable conditions, whether it’s autoimmune, and one thing is not the answer. It is a multi-therapeutic approach, part of which I call ancient healing strategies. One of my favorite things is studying not just studies because studies can be really misleading, as you’ll learn on this show, but studying what ancient cultures actually do.

Our first hunting trip together, Warren, was we went deep in the bush of Africa, about an eight-hour drive. It started, as you recall, on a highway. It goes to a double highway to a single-lane road to a bumpy, rocky road that you shouldn’t even call a road to a dirt road. From a dirt road it went to driving through a field saying really? Do we know the way?

Warren:

Is that a tsetse fly on the window? Absolutely, it is. Do you want malaria? No, not so much.

Dr. Pompa:

We ended up back in this tribe. I always say Warren was the whitest guy they’ve ever seen in their lives. I don’t know that they saw a white guy, but they saw the white guy when Warren showed up. However, he didn’t leave that way, folks. We literally have pictures with Warren with dirt all over his face like raccoon eyes. I don’t know if that was purposeful how that happened, but somehow you got dirt all over your face. You fit in more, I can tell you.

We learned a lot from that tribe. It’s funny because we saw something that I talk about today. On this show you’re going to hear about this 180 degree solution; is breakfast the most important meal of the day? Should it be the biggest meal of the day? One thing we learned is this tribe didn’t eat breakfast.

As a matter of fact, one of the things that we said is where are the men? There were no men there. It was very odd. Oh, they’re all hunting. They got up at 4:30 in the morning, and they went on the hunting excursion where they still hadn’t even come back halfway through the day. They go out without food, and they just go all day.

There’s another tribe that we’ll talk about too because it was featured in Scientific America. It’s called the Hadza tribe. They’re one of the last hunting/gatherer tribes. Same thing, they go out all day without eating and run these massive miles and walk massive amounts of miles and maybe burn a lot of calories. We’ll talk about that in a little bit.

The point being is that we learned some things that I didn’t even understand until later. I realized this tribe is doing something that to our society is very unique, but unique at all to ancient cultures. That was eating one, maybe one-and-a-half, maybe two meals a day, if that. They were doing some amazing feats with how long they would go all day without food. Pretty interesting, right Warren? That was our first hunting/gathering experience with a tribe that taught us a lot.

Warren:

That was probably over 12 years ago. There wasn’t the information, there wasn’t this New York Times article that I’m looking at right now from August 2012 or Why You Shouldn’t Exercise to Lose Weight from April 28, 2016. We’ll put some of that research down below if you get to HealthHuntersRadio.com. I’ll also post that nasty picture of me with a dusty face. I was the happiest guy on the planet because it was the first time literally, listeners, if you have a sleeping problem, that I slept through the night in probably seven years.

Open air living, they don’t have windows in these houses in Africa. Just the drop in toxicity from homes, that will be another show. Getting back to this, it’s hard to believe. It makes so much sense that we were designed in a certain and we adapted or evolved in a certain environment, and we connected with nature.

There’s so much now in the research that the herbs that these people used to eat, and there’s research that shows this, actually effects their genetic code. We have a symbiotic relationship just like there is in an environment, there’s one in our bodies, that we are supposed to be a part of that. Let’s jump back onto that topic right after these words.

We really enjoy this music, but we need to bring it back down. We just got done dancing here live. There’s a camera on us right now too because we’re going to post the video log as well on HealthHuntersRadio.com since this is our first show. It’s good to let you know that, so you can go to HealthHuntersRadio.com and actually see the craziness of what’s going on behind the voice in our homes or wherever we are around the world. We are filming.

The Hadza tribe, Dr. Pompa, I’ll just throw this to you now. We developed with our environment, which makes so much sense, that our bodies were developed with nature. Now we’ve gotten away from nature, but it’s hard to believe even 100 years ago how aligned we were. Even our great-grandparents lived off the land.

We gardened, we were in the dirt, we were exposing ourselves to soil. Now we’ve gotten away from that 180 degrees opposite of what the Hadza tribe that we hung out with in Africa and saw the vitality and energy. They chased us down in our cars. They had white teeth that were straight like nothing that you see today. We see disease.

Dr. Pompa:

The kids literally ran and followed us, especially when we were leaving. They just ran and ran. It was remarkable to see their stamina and their health. A conversation that we actually had with a few of the gentleman, two of which were pastors that brought us into this area, the one sitting to my left said to me, “Dr. Pompa, it’s really odd. This tribe barely eats. However, they don’t have any disease that we can find.”

His concept was because all these other tribes that were near this area, this tribe just recently had come out of the mountains. They were still practicing their ways. The other tribes had fallen into the trap of World Vision. I’m not knocking these organizations. They think they’re doing very well, and oftentimes they do. They ended up wanting and eating the grains that they were bringing and the processed food that World Vision did.

There was drought in this area, and it became more difficult in the hunting. Their intentions were good. However, it started to create modern day disease. They didn’t see it in this tribe. They thought they were not eating because they didn’t see it.

Number one, they ate one meal a day. His concept of that was they’re not eating. They’re barely eating. He thought it was the lack of food, when really this is what they did. It was very clear to me that they’re sticking to their tribal ways and what they were used to doing. My advice to him was don’t touch it. Let them go. I don’t know how that worked out.

Warren:

I was a young health hunter back then. I was a little puppy health hunter next to you trying to learn this stuff and soak it all in. What did you say, I was your apprentice at the time.

Dr. Pompa:

You were just getting your life back.

Warren:

I was remembering those conversations. Many of our listeners, if you’re not used to this information, and many aren’t, I had this little battle going on in my head. I started to understand inflammation and how sugar causes inflammation, but it was unbelievable to me for them to say those words. It brought a reality to what you’d been sharing with me over the past two year. I think I was only a year-and-a-half into my apprenticeship with you, if you will. It just hit me.

We didn’t script this. They actually asked you that question. The other thing is they had more disease and they had AIDS because their immune system was suppressed, sugars and grains. It’s so simple. You were teaching your cellular healing diet at the time. Get rid of everything white, the simple basic cellular healing diet.

That’s sold hundreds of thousands of copies now and transformed lives. That’s a whole other story. Churches were transformed, diabetes was gone. These are the testimonies we got. It really hit me that’s the reality. This is not made up. This happened, and these people had health and vitality that you wouldn’t believe.

There is the other side of starvation in the inner cities, which is where World Vision would help. In these tribal locations, the best thing you can do is help them do what they know how to do, which is hunter/gatherer. Dan, tell them about our dinner and what we learned from some of their berries that they ate, the food that we were eating, and describe that whole situation and some of the gems we pulled out of that experience. Then we can dive into Hadza tribe.

Dr. Pompa:

It was really remarkable. They treated us like royalty. The brought us their best meats. That day we didn’t have a catch, but they had goat. I’m sure that was precious because they need those goats for milk, etc., that is so critical to their stamina.

They had these vegetables, which to us tasted like kale. This was gathered. It grew wild. Something that we got addicted to was the baobab tree. It’s this fruit, if you will, but it’s really not a fruit. It’s a very low-carb fruit, but they make a porridge from this stuff.

It’s this big eight to ten-inch cylindrical, oval looking thing that hangs on these trees that are the oldest trees in Africa called the baobab tree. There’s a really unique story there because we ended up today in a product that we developed, this fruit, if you will, is in there. We started eating these things. Remember, Warren, they were almost like a seed surrounded by this soft, white stuff. We would suck on these.

We were addicted to these things. As a matter of fact, so much so, we were saying I think these things are making me feel really well. We were eating this the whole time we were there. We were like we’ve got to bring this stuff back. We’ve got to export this stuff or import it. We were really fascinated by it.

We didn’t want to leave Africa without this. It was such a cool thing to learn about their society. The Maasai berry, remember the Maasai berries the elephants eat? They take the skins, and it was another really cool thing.

One of the things, and you’re going to get this in a future show, is when you look at diets right now, the Paleo diet, a vegan diet, all these diets, the Adkins diet, what you learn from these tribes is something that I refer to as diet variation. They oftentimes have times of feast, they have times of famine, which is diet variation. What we’re learning now is it’s very important as humans in our DNA that we actually go through these times or at least emulate them because we’re not forced to feast or famine today. We probably do a lot of feasting. As a matter of fact, a lot of the studies that I’d found even regarding cancer, we can put this one up too if you remind me, Warren, is that because we’re stuck in a feast mode as a society and not times of fasting and famine, we’re actually triggering our DNA for the bad and creating disease.

Part of my ancient healing strategies is emulating these tribes in feast/famine cycles, which I call diet variation. Even the American Indians when we look at them, they would be very ketosis. You’ll learn more about that on this show. Very low carb, if you will, in the winter time. By summer time they were eating a higher carbohydrate, more like vegetarians. There’s magic in that. You will learn that on future shows.

Warren:

Bring this back in hard.

Dr. Pompa:

I’m getting used to the new music, man.

Warren:

It is fun. We’d love your feedback. Keep going back to HealthHuntersRadio.com and make your comments on this show. I know that many of our listeners, some of these big topics hit them. We’re talking about these tribes. It’s starting to make sense to them.

We were designed to eat in a certain way, and it’s pretty easy to see. Every one listening to this has symptoms. They’re pre-diabetic, and we focus on our numbers. That’s a whole other topic. You don’t want to focus on your numbers necessarily and what those numbers mean.

You don’t have to worry about all that stuff when you start to make decisions that bring us back to these secrets that can be unlocked in the Hadza tribe. I think that was the Maasai tribe. That’s another African tribe that we looked at in the past, Dr. Pompa. The cool thing is that some of the big 180 degree concepts that we’re fighting right now is over exercising for weight loss and calorie restriction for weight loss and the detriment that potentially has on our health.

What we ultimately want our outcome is that sexier, leaner, more tribe-like look that we had. We were cut, we were lean, we had ultimate energy. All the things that we’re suffering today, we don’t have any energy, we can’t think clearly, we can’t lose weight despite diet or exercise, we have hormone imbalances, cancer is on the rise. These things don’t exist in these tribes, so that’s why we’re bringing to you what are a few of the takeaways as we move through this show that we’ve learned from the research, 60 studies that we’ll post from Vox, The New York Times. All of these studies, we’ve sent them to our research. They came back. These are real topics. These aren’t made up. What are some of the takeaways from these research to show our listeners how they can move forward?

Dr. Pompa:

I think when you’re dealing with exercise—I have to tell this story. Look, I think that if we interviewed most even of our listeners—and we probably have a more educated listening audience, but if we interviewed the public, if it’s ten, it would be nine out of ten. If it was 1,000, probably 998 out of 1,000 would be exercise is the way to lose weight. As a matter of fact, most people would say that we eat too much as a society, glutens, and we exercise too little, lazy. That’s why we’re obese and lead the world in obesity. That’s what most people think, and the reason is because that’s what’s portrayed by the media. You can’t turn on a Today Show or whatever show it is and hear another low-fat, that’s a whole other conversation, low-calorie diet and more about why we need to exercise more. It’s all over the media. Is it true is the question?

Warren:

I’m just going to throw this in there just to drive that point home. Even on our Facebook following, Dr. Pompa, Dr. Daniel Pompa Facebook, we can hit the fan page. You can find them there, but even when you post something like this on there, they’re like, ahh, forget all this BS. All you need to do is eat and exercise, and your life is going to be fine to make you feel guilty about even bringing this truth, a health hunter truth that we brought. In Scientific American, we were in that gym. We told them this. What did the people in the gym say? That sounds very interesting, but I still can’t fricking believe it. He used the different words.

Dr. Pompa:

I still can’t believe it. By the way, that’s why we have a research group. When you make these statements, you better be able to back it, right? Our research group dug in, and they said, “Boy, there is more here than even meets the eye.” This is very solid science was basically the takeaway. Listen, you could quote one study, but really, I mean, how solid is that? You can make a study say what you want, but there’s solid evidence here.

Let me finish that story real fast. Here I was. I was in Hawaii. The woman next to me, I overheard her conversation. She was telling this gentleman, basically—and this is something that I hear all the time, right? “I was told by my doctor that I was a ticking time bomb.” Okay. That’s the entry into a conversation for a doctor to basically get you to take any medication that he wants. Of course, she was put on a statin, and of course, this was all because of her high cholesterol, right?

I mean, again, a future show on why total cholesterol studies shows really isn’t a good marker of heart attacks. I know, 180degree concept right there. Okay. She was told that, and she was told to walk—of course, take the statin and walk five miles every day, which she had been doing a year or more. Okay. The gentleman asked the question that I was wanting to ask, right? He said, “Did he give you any dietary advice?” Basically, the sentiment was, really, that seems like that doesn’t matter much. That was the takeaway.

Just as I was ready to jump in, it was—all of a sudden, this disrupt came into the conversation, and it broke apart. I typically don’t jump into conversations, unlike Warren. He would’ve jumped in on a conversation across the seats in an airplane. Trust me. However, I wanted to jump in on this one. The whole thing of the exercise being the key and the nutrition not, that is really what’s out there.

Scientific American got a lot of shakeup with this article. I’ll just paraphrase it. Not to bore you with the science. Bottom line, they looked at one of the last hunting-gatherer tribes similar to the one that we encountered called the Hadza people. It’s a northern Tanzania tribe. I mean, these people go out all day long on these excursions. The gentleman in the study, I mean, they went out with him, and they couldn’t believe the amount of effort that they were putting out. Surely, they must be burning massive amounts of calories doing all of this effort all day. As a matter of fact, that’s why they were there, to see how they were doing this.

They used the most accurate way of assessing how many calories these gentlemen were burning. It’s called the doubly water technique, and it really is the most accurate way to look at daily energy expenditure. I mean, it literally looks at the carbon dioxide production in the body, and it’s very, very accurate. Matter of fact, our researcher said, “Yeah. They used the best method,” right? Anyways, to their surprise, after all this effort day in, day out, on average, the men were burning 2600 calories a day. Ladies, you were only burning on average 1900 calories a day. Okay. They were stunned because it is exactly the same as the average person in the U.S. or Europe, basically the same. It didn’t matter that they were exercising all day. Their caloric output was the same.

What does it tell us? If you’re exercising your pounds away or at least trying, it really doesn’t matter. Warren, what do we hear all the time, right? Maybe we’ve all said it. It’s like, well, you know what? I don’t feel as guilty about eating that pizza or hamburger because I was in the gym all day. Matter of fact, I did an extra half hour on the treadmill. Okay. The treadmill, of course, is telling you you’ve burned 500 calories.

Warren:

We always hear that. Yeah. I got to work out today because I ate this. I made this poor choice. It doesn’t work, does it?

Dr. Pompa:

No. According to this, it doesn’t work. Guess what? Primates, when they look at primates, same thing. You have a primate, a gorilla, sitting in the zoo doing practically nothing, right, pretty sad, but his average caloric intake is about half of a human. Maybe it’s around 1,000, 1200, 1300 calories. However, the primate in the wild who is obviously exercising far more, getting far more activity, it’s the same. It’s like, basically, the takeaway is, holy cow, exercise really doesn’t have much to do with weight loss.

On the cover of Scientific America, Workouts and Weight Loss: Learn the surprising evolutionary reason why exercise alone will not shed pounds and what to do about it. I mean, for me, this is not—this didn’t shatter my truth. I already knew this because I had already been reading other studies that showed that, exercise and weight loss, really, it’s not much. I call exercise the cherry on the top, meaning that it has nothing to do with calories. Why exercise can give you a little advantage, it’s a hormonal thing. When you exercise, you can drive up growth hormones. You can become a little more hormone sensitive.

You’re going to learn this on this show. The key to weight loss, especially weight loss resistance, is not even the food you eat or how much you exercise you’re going to hear, but it’s about getting yourselves to hear your hormones. It’s more about hormones than anything, and exercise does get you a little more hormone sensitive.

Warren:

Optimize.

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah, optimize. Hormone optimization is something I’m going to talk a lot about. The bottom line is it’s not what you think, folks. You’re not going in the gym pounding the pavement or the treadmill and taking off calories and, therefore, taking off weight. Hey, if it was that simple, America, we would be the leanest country in the world. We’re still the stinking fattest.

Warren:

I want to bring a story back in when we come back for our—I think it’s our final segment here. The culture, it’s really hard. Many of our listeners are listening to this, and it’s hard to drive it home because we believe something for so long. We’re going to break down that culture code, and see how we can get people to make that shift, and believe the research.

We’re bringing the heat. Are you a health hunter? I think you are because you’re listening to the show. I was a health hunter. I couldn’t find answers, and I wish there was a show like this that could dissect the research like Dr. Pompa and myself are doing from the backgrounds that we had and the two guys from pain to purpose, right, Dr. Pompa?

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah.

Warren:

If you look at the marketing of today, if you look at Nike, if you look at everything that you see, what does running equal in your mind, Dr. Pompa, to the public’s eye?

Dr. Pompa:

Running is equal to health.

Warren:

Yeah. Running equals health.

Dr. Pompa:

Better health, leaner, better.

Warren:

Better health, weight loss, right, even CrossFit today, right, the more you do, the better, right, the more intense. Now, not every CrossFitter believes that, but that’s the culture that surround it, the Rocky culture code. When we were younger, when we wanted to get healthy, what’d we do? We’d start cracking those raw eggs and starting to run. However, even though the culture has made us believe that—and we have an emotional attachment to that, right? We have an emotional attachment to running. Not that running is a bad thing, but running does not equal health. Running does not equal weight loss.

Many of our listeners—and you’re going to be sharing this with other people on your websites. You’re going to get the same thing back. You’re going to share this on Facebook, and they’ll be like, oh, those guys are full of it, right? They don’t know what they’re talking about. I run every day, and I’m the healthiest. My cholesterol number is—you’re going to hear these things, but it’s not the truth. Send them the research. How can we break that?

Dr. Pompa:
I mean, I want to say this. I mean, running could equal health. You know what I’m saying? I would say better. It doesn’t equal weight loss necessarily, right? I think there’s where the thing the lies.

There’s benefits to endurance exercise. There’s benefits to burst training type of exercise or high intensity, what they call HIT, right? I mean, there’s benefits to all forms of exercise, so we’re not downing exercise by any means. I want to be clear. I mean, there’s, no doubt, anti-inflammatory things that happen, etc. The opposite is true too. There’s massive problems with over exercise, which many people do. The key here is what we’re associating with weight loss, right?

By the way, there’s other—there’s certain forms of exercise like the high intensity that are much better for weight loss. Endurance training has been shown to be, if anything, more detrimental when it comes to weight loss, doing the long endurance thing, staying in the fat zone as we’ve been taught. We’ve been taught the opposite, the high intensity that burns no fat. It just burns up sugar. Actually, studies show it works a little better for exercise. There’s some truth here, but it’s all hormonal. It’s not calories. That’s our point.

Warren:

As we wrap up this show, what are some of the things that—the health hunters that are on this show, what can they start doing to start getting that tribal health that they all want? They want to have the energy like the Hadza tribe. They want to have the better look, and feel, and vitality, and skin. I mean, it affects your teeth, your microbiome. There’s so many things it affects. What are some of the simple steps as we walk away from this show today that our health hunters who are seeking this information—we’ve shared them the truth. It’s up to them to take action. We’ll have the studies down below on our links on healthhuntersradio.com, and we’ll have some of the takeaways as well. Let’s rock those out.

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah. I mean, I think by no means are we saying not to exercise, right? When you look at the tribe, there’s obvious health benefits from moving, being in the sun, right? I mean, we’ll talk about all of these more. I think if you are struggling with weight loss, if you want a greater hormonal optimization, do high intensity, even if it’s three days a week. Ten minutes of getting your heart rate up to the point where it’s difficult to talk, higher heart rate where they talk about 80% of your max.

What does that mean? Basically, you can’t talk because you’re breathing so heavy. You’re burning glucose. Not fat. What studies do show is for the next 36 hours, on average, you’re—basically, hormonally your body starts raising up its growth hormone and starts to utilize its fat to, basically, replenish those sugar stores, if you will, glycogen stored fat, etc. I think there’s some truth to that.

Look, even if you did the best exercise, every study that really—when we looked at this and examined this, it doesn’t matter. Diet’s the key. Diet’s the key. Stay tuned to our shows. By the way, it’s not what you think on the diet. I know you’ve been taught to eat maybe five meals a day because that raises your metabolism. Learn on future shows why that’s not necessarily true, why breakfast could be the worst meal of the day, why low fat is absolutely destructive and causing more hormone de-optimization so the low fat thing, and again, we’ve been taught low fat.

A lot of 180 degree concepts that we don’t have time, obviously, on this show to cover are part of where we need to go, but look, paying attention to your diet is going to be the key. I’m going to throw one thing out there. Here’s a key. It’s not about eating less, talking about calories today. One of the keys is eating less often. Let me give you this today. Don’t snack between meals.

If you’re eating four meals a day, go to three, and if you’re eating three and you’re snacking—and by the way, most people think, oh, I only eat two or three meals a day. Okay. It’s the handful of nuts that you just did when you pass the counter. It’s that hunk of cheese that you just took. Those are meals because they elevate glucose and insulin. Even the perfect meal still elevates glucose and insulin.

The point is is don’t eat it all between meals. That’s the advice I give you today. Don’t eat less. It’s not about calories in, calories out. Eat less often. That means, for now, just get rid of snacks, simple. Do the exercise that you can optimize your hormone sensitivity, and that’s the higher intensity. There’s my advice.

Warren:

Everything that you’re saying comes right back. You’re naming insulin and glucose. That’s hormones, right?

Dr. Pompa:

Yeah.

Warren:

When you mess with your hormones in any way—if toxins messing with your hormones, if you have stress in your life, right, that’s cortisol. That’s messes with your hormones. Those are the things that lead to fatigue, inflammation. Not joint inflammation but internal cellular inflammation, which we’ll get on future shows.

You’re throwing off your hormones by taking those snacks. That’s what I’m taking away from you, Dr. Pompa, throwing yourself out of fat burning into sugar burning.

Dr. Pompa:

Yes. You are.

Warren:

The exercise piece, when you do the high-intensity training, you’re doing it the right way, doing it every other day. We’ll put some of those other articles down in healthhuntersradio.com, some things that you can do, some action steps for exercise. The reason those are beneficial is because they’re optimizing your hormones. The major takeaway, again, for me, as a—I’m a little more seasoned here. I’m just trying to really focus in on the takeaway is that, if you do exercise that optimizes hormones for weight loss and you eat to optimize for hormones for weight loss, that is the secret here, optimizing hormones.

Dr. Pompa:

That’s the magic. That’s the magic.

Warren:

When you do calories in, calories out, it doesn’t work.

Dr. Pompa:

Right. No. Both of the advice has nothing to do with calories, and that’s our point today. It really isn’t about the calories. Don’t eat less. Eat less often. You will optimize your hormone dietarily. Do the higher intensity, and again, I have nothing wrong with endurance. I’m a cyclist. Love it. However, we’re talking about for weight loss and maximizing your hormones for weight loss.

We have a lot of future shows to do because there’s a lot of concepts, especially regarding health, that are 180 degrees opposite of what you’ve learned. I think that’s what makes it so darn exciting, at least for our end. Our goal is to bring you’re the truth. Go on the hunting excursions and bring you the truth.

Warren:

We love our health hunters’ family. We’re going to build this to a massive tribe, right, as we say. I’m part of the health hunters’ family. I’m a health hunter. We want you to identify with that tribe and concept. We are health hunters. We’re going out there seeking the truth on your behalf, and we’ll go to emotional concepts. We’re going to go, obviously, to the health concepts. We’re going to go to the things that add to longevity and life and making you get the most out of life.

That’s the whole point of this new show, Health Hunters Radio, and this journey that we’re going on as we go across nations into Africa to look for truth. It’s such a fun concept, and you guys get to be a part of this journey. Just to bring back and remind you, we do have The New York Times study debunking the hunter-gatherer workout, very interesting study. That’s going to be down below. Another study by Julia Belluz and Javier—I can’t say his last name, Dr. Pompa, Zarracina; “Why you shouldn’t exercise to lose weight, explained with 60 studies.” The truth is there for you to share with others to help bring them into the health hunters’ culture and tribe along with you as we journey on.

Going back to the beginning of this show, I mean, Dan, 15 years ago it was because I made a phone call to another health hunter when I was sick and didn’t have answers, and I start hunting truth. I was on the internet. I couldn’t find the answers. I got on with your wife, came over. You had me over for dinner. You exposed me to the chiropractic philosophy. You start sharing with me some of these concepts. You start sharing with me some of the same research that we’re now sharing on this show, and my mind was switched to 180 degrees.

I became part of your tribe. I became a health hunter. I became something that’s full of passion in life to help people so they didn’t have to suffer for five years like I did and like you did before we were able to get our lives back.

Dr. Pompa:

No doubt.

Warren:

This passion is birthed out of pain.

Dr. Pompa:

This is the truth. They say only 3% of the population is willing to go 180 degrees opposite of where most people are going, but I say that’s where the truth lies most of the time. When everyone is making a left, make a right. Go 180 degrees opposite. Therein lies the truth, especially regarding health.

Warren:

Health Hunters Radio, guys, we love and appreciate you. Thanks for joining the tribe. We’ll see you next week where we’re going to start on how diet and some of the switches you can make to get your life back.